Did You Know

Do you know how to spot a Penn 706Z that has the 2nd bearing in it with out opening it. I'll give you a hint, they where the last run houseing for both the 704Z and 706Z but the 706Z was milled to take a bearing instead of a bushing in the houseing where the main gear shaft went through the houseing and the handle mounted. OK I'll tell you,, There's no oil port above the main gear shaft on the houseing where the handle screws on. :study: :shock:

I see this was viewed 6X but how many of you knew this, Not many guys know this, If you want to know any thing else about penn spinfishers this is a good time to ask. (penns 712 and 710 have the same houseings and inners) :study: What other Penn spinfishers share the same housings and inners, tell me that.

thanks lion ,, this is my first time viewing this ... now i can feel like a big shot reel guy and say did you know.... i love anything that makes me seem smarter ... LOL thanks for the info...

whitey wrote:thanks lion ,, this is my first time viewing this ... now i can feel like a big shot reel guy and say did you know.... i love anything that makes me seem smarter ... LOL thanks for the info...

Here's a little more about Penn, They made ther first spinning reel in 1960 and it was the Mod.700-Spinfisher, when they sold it it came with a one pc handle and no counter weight in the rotor plus it had a cast iron crosswind in it, later when they made ther lefty mod-the 702 they changed the handle to what is on ther 704 plus they added a counter weight to the rotor and did away with the cast-iron crossswind and made it out of brass.
You want to know more? :study:

lion wrote:

whitey wrote:thanks lion ,, this is my first time viewing this ... now i can feel like a big shot reel guy and say did you know.... i love anything that makes me seem smarter ... LOL thanks for the info...

Here's a little more about Penn, They made ther first spinning reel in 1960 and it was the Mod.700-Spinfisher, when they sold it it came with a one pc handle and no counter weight in the rotor plus it had a cast iron crosswind in it, later when they made ther lefty mod-the 702 they changed the handle to what is on ther 704 plus they added a counter weight to the rotor and did away with the cast-iron crossswind and made it out of brass.
You want to know more? :study:

Yeah like this Penn 700 that I have.

Minivin5 wrote:

lion wrote:

whitey wrote:thanks lion ,, this is my first time viewing this ... now i can feel like a big shot reel guy and say did you know.... i love anything that makes me seem smarter ... LOL thanks for the info...

Here's a little more about Penn, They made ther first spinning reel in 1960 and it was the Mod.700-Spinfisher, when they sold it it came with a one pc handle and no counter weight in the rotor plus it had a cast iron crosswind in it, later when they made ther lefty mod-the 702 they changed the handle to what is on ther 704 plus they added a counter weight to the rotor and did away with the cast-iron crossswind and made it out of brass.
You want to know more? :study:

Yeah like this Penn 700 that I have.

Now That's what where talking about,, Sweet Reel Vin. Mines still in the box :)

Lion......what do you know about the 710z? I have one that I got a long time ago but don't know anything about it. The gear ratio seems slow and the line capacity seems limited...anything good about theese reels?

fishpro wrote:Lion......what do you know about the 710z? I have one that I got a long time ago but don't know anything about it. The gear ratio seems slow and the line capacity seems limited...anything good about theese reels?

You can't ask for a better back bay reel and for plugs that 3.6 to 1 gear ratio is perfect speed and strong, I use mine all the time and it's bail-less, it will hold around 275 yards of 30# braid or 185 yards of 15# mono. I like haveing a 704 handle on mine it just feel good.

OK lets get back to the newer handle on the 700 that looks "LIKE" the 704 handle. They may look the same but the handle mount on the Penn 700 is off set by about 30% so it clears the bail-wire, On the 700 the the houseing is a little narrower than the 704 so a 704 handle that look the same but has no off set wont work on the 700 BC it will hit the bail-wire but you can use a 700 handle on the 704.
Anybody want to talk about the main gear in the Penn-700 ? :study:

lion wrote:

fishpro wrote:Lion......what do you know about the 710z? I have one that I got a long time ago but don't know anything about it. The gear ratio seems slow and the line capacity seems limited...anything good about theese reels?

You can't ask for a better back bay reel and for plugs that 3.6 to 1 gear ratio is perfect speed and strong, I use mine all the time and it's bail-less, it will hold around 275 yards of 30# braid or 185 yards of 15# mono. I like haveing a 704 handle on mine it just feel good.

Thanks Lion.......I may have to clean it up and use it then

Hey Fishpro; I fish the same 710 for 30 years now and hooked my first keeper striper of this year on it, 32" and around 15lbs 10 days ago on a bucktail, he was running with a school of blues. That's a sweet Bass in your picture, when I was a kid I used field mice to catch Bass in the lilly pads. It was cool to see the mice jump from pad to pad then you whould see the pads moveing and pow out came a large mouth and grab the mouse.

[b]Nobody wants to know about the main gear in a Penn 700? Well I'm telling you anyway. When Penn made there 1st Spinfisher (Mod.700) Guys love them but said TOO HEAVY!!!so Penn made main gears for them out of aluminum but only for a short while and they weighed 1/2 of the brass one but cost much to much to make so back to brass they went. ( ok little known fact) Now this might help in a pinch, the main gear in a 704 and a 700 are the same gear BUT the shaft on the 700 gear is 1/4" shorter but you can take the gears off the shafts and use them in the 704. Gears for the 704 are getting hard to find, don't foget the 706 uses the same gear as the 704.
LOOKS TO ME LIKE NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN US MADE REELS (YOU CAN HAVE CHINA) tHEY NEED YOUR MONEY. :scratch:

OK last shot at giveing Info on the Penn 700. :study: The spool's drag on the first 700's was excellent, Penn used a 7pc stack counting the lock ring but for some reason when they made there 2nd edition they changed the drag over to a lock-drag using only a 4pc drag setup counting the lock-ring.This ment the drag went from some drag to no drag in just a few turns of the drag knob WHY Who knows, If you have one of them spools take out the only fiber washer and but two Penn Teflon washers (056-704) in it's place to give you a better range in your drag but don't try to lock down your drag with this setup (it may break or crack the drag-knob) When Penn changed over to there 704 and the 700 parts dryed up they sold a replacement rotor-cup kit for the 700 that was made up of all 704 parts that where painted the same color of the 700. This is what was in the kit, all the parts from the bearing-retainer up but not the new 704 spool, that was sold on it's own and painted the same as the 700 green.(the 704 spool will work on the 700 but the 700 spool won't work on the 704) back to the kit, this is what you got in it.
1- 21A-704 bearing retainer
1- 21B-704 Rotor-Brake
1- 27-704 rotor-cup
1- 28-704 bail release arm
1- 28A-704 bail release saddle
1-29-704 bail release pin
1- 30-704 bail release spring
2- 46A-704 saddle screws
If you collect greenes as I do this kit is a nice edition to your collection but VERY HARD TO COME BY.

Lion,


Very Interesting stuff!!! Please keep up the great work. Let me ask ya......in Greenie 704's which do you prefer the medallion or the "swoosh" side plate?

captainmidnight wrote:Lion,


Very Interesting stuff!!! Please keep up the great work. Let me ask ya......in Greenie 704's which do you prefer the medallion or the "swoosh" side plate?

AS you know they are the same in all ways but the housiing cover, also the ones with the painted wave/ stamped aluminum (swoosh) came with a carbaloid line roller (great roller can't hurt that with braided line) some of the early medallion reels also had them rollers till pen ran out of them. But IMHO I like the medallion side plate better mainly BC it will take a dunk better. Thank's for asking, I'm off to chase Weakfish, the wind just died down BY BY.

Lion your knowledge on penn reels is amazing. Some of the things you mentioned are very intersting.my question is how did you research or learn about all the different parts and reel changes that penn made over the years? I really enjoyed this thread thanks for all the good info. Also do you think the green reels are smoother to reel than the Z series. I know a lot of parts are the same but my greenies just seem to crank smoother.

surffishn wrote:Lion your knowledge on penn reels is amazing. Some of the things you mentioned are very intersting.my question is how did you research or learn about all the different parts and reel changes that penn made over the years? I really enjoyed this thread thanks for all the good info. Also do you think the green reels are smoother to reel than the Z series. I know a lot of parts are the same but my greenies just seem to crank smoother.

IMHO I feel the same way about my greenies feeling smoother and that's all i fish with (greenies) I have every model spinfisher Penn Made in both greenies and Zs and the greenies just feel better to me but I do use the anodized aluminum Z spools on them and also use a 704 handle on my 712 and 710 (makes a big defference) I also fish all my penns bail-less when I use them for plugs, tin's and bucktails but use reels with the bail when ever fishing bait. As far as my knowledge goes on Penns I been fishing them since 1968 when I got my first 710 and changed over from my 302-Mitchell then picked a Penn 704 that same year and layed down my Crack-300 but am still fishing them reels to this day from time to time and my trusty Crack-100 comes with me on every flounder or weakfish trip I do (can't give up the MOJO on that reel) Getting back to my knowledge on penns it's just live and learn and ask questions. I been rebuilding Penns as a hobby since 1970 and asking Penn Why this and why that of there repaire people and sales people and 9 out of 10 times they say the same thing, "COST". Funny thing, when penn made there SS reels I ran right out and got me one a Penn 650SS boy oh boy was this a sweet reel Smooth, fast, pretty and built to catch fishermen. After a few months fishing my new gem, anti reverse went, baill shut down umteen times on a hard cast, handle started pitting (beleave me I take care of my reels) so time to give penn a call to there repair shop that knew me by name and what they said floored me. They told me stick to the old Penns but not to worry there makeing plenty of spair parts for ther new line (The SS reels) What does that tell you. Guys tell me Yea my SS this and my Slammer That well you show me an early SS reel in good working condition and I'll show you a reel that was hardly fished.But for some reason the 750SS out side of the silent dog clicker and anti-reverse dog seems to have held up pretty good. OK getting too long winded.

surffishn wrote:Lion your knowledge on penn reels is amazing.

And he knows just about as much about the great old Mitchells!

this is some great posting lion thank you..

keep it coming

Olbarny wrote:

surffishn wrote:Lion your knowledge on penn reels is amazing.

And he knows just about as much about the great old Mitchells!

Thank's Fred. maybe you can start a thread on Mitchells, You know plenty.

smitty wrote:this is some great posting lion thank you..

keep it coming

Thank's Smitty I plan on it.

lion wrote:

Olbarny wrote:

surffishn wrote:Lion your knowledge on penn reels is amazing.

And he knows just about as much about the great old Mitchells!

Thank's Fred. maybe you can start a thread on Mitchells, You know plenty.

smitty wrote:this is some great posting lion thank you..

keep it coming

Thank's Smitty I plan on it.

no thank you for sharing you knowledge of this topic very much appreciated.

Penn 720/722 What was Penn thinking!! When Penn made this model I feel they where after the trout fisherman. They where built like mini 704's in all respect but the anti-reverse. Very strong gears/ built to last and there new style aluminum spools,, that there 704/706 didn't have yet. The anti-reverse dog on these reels work's off a pc of flat-spring metal (poor design :jerk off: ) one or two quick back turns on the handle and the anti-reverse is blown but other than that there good little reels but must be babyed unlike most early Penn spinfishers that can take a good beaten. OK now the difference between the 720 and 722 ( this is the only Penn model they did this with) in the 720 the gear ratio is 4 to 1 and on the 722 the ratio is 5 to 1 so the 722 is a little faster but other than that there the same reel's but there paint colors where different, the 720 was a lighter blue then there 722 that looked very much the color of the 704 but with a GREEN tint to it, untill they made the Z model in these reels then just made them in black (I'll get back to the Z 720/722) Now the gears, if you where to look at the two sets of gears the 720 gears had a straight cut to them both the main gear and pinion gear while the 722 gears where slightly cuped (I my have this backwerds been a little while since I had them apart) also the 722 was .2oz heaver 9.7 than the 720 at 9.5oz. Now back to the Z models of the 720/722s like I said they where all black and just the medallion would tell you which was the 720Z or 722Z, the first of the Zs had a silver handle and spool till Penn ran out of them then they went to the gold handle and spool (don't ask I don't know the year they went to just the gold parts) There was a Tan or bronze color edition of these Z model reels and some say they where the fresh water models but all the paper work and boxs I ever seen on these reels said good for fresh water and light salt water, you tell me. Here's some specs on them and will be all I have to say on the 720/722. Reel wt of 720=9.5oz, 722=9.7oz line cap on both reels are same at 300yds of 4 lb mono and 100yds at 12 lb mono you can do the math on the 6 and 8 lb mono. THAT'S IT FOR NOW

Hey Lion, what do you know about the few black 711's that were made?

technologist wrote:Hey Lion, what do you know about the few black 711's that were made?

"BLACK 710's/711's" What I do know is Penn made a lot more then what the grape vine claims (200 Blackies made) I myself have had at least 10 pass through my hands in fact I think Smoke has one of mine and it might even be a 711 with the box, I'll tell some things I have heard, Penn was asked to make reels for our military and the produced the 710 in black to show them but they opted to give the G. I.'s a flat Yo-Yo type reel that would fit in a survival kit, that was around 1965 I believe. I also know that all the black 710's only came with a silver medallion and all there spools were made of a Black/fiberglass/plastic mixed. Like I said, No idea on how many where made but the number of black 710's dwarfs the green ones. Now the story behind Penn only making 200 blackies (and I don't know where that number came from) may have some truth to it because Penn did make a 710 black with a pebble finish to the paint that also only came with a silver medallion and black spool and they seem to be very rare , in fact I have only seen two 710's and both where in bad shape but never seen a pebble finish black 711. IMHO a true black 710 is worth no less that 3 x the green ones BUT the Black-Pebble finished ones I couldn't begin to guess the collectable value. Now take this INFO on the 710's and divide it by 10 and that should be around the number of the black 711's there is and it's value is IMHO is around double that of the 710 black IMHO.
WELL, Right, Wrong or Indifferent , This is what I Know about Black Penn 710's

lion wrote:

technologist wrote:Hey Lion, what do you know about the few black 711's that were made?

"BLACK 710's/711's" What I do know is Penn made a lot more then what the grape vine claims (200 Blackies made) I myself have had at least 10 pass through my hands in fact I think Smoke has one of mine and it might even be a 711 with the box, I'll tell some things I have heard, Penn was asked to make reels for our military and the produced the 710 in black to show them but they opted to give the G. I.'s a flat Yo-Yo type reel that would fit in a survival kit, that was around 1965 I believe. I also know that all the black 710's only came with a silver medallion and all there spools were made of a Black/fiberglass/plastic mixed. Like I said, No idea on how many where made but the number of black 710's dwarfs the green ones. Now the story behind Penn only making 200 blackies (and I don't know where that number came from) may have some truth to it because Penn did make a 710 black with a pebble finish to the paint that also only came with a silver medallion and black spool and they seem to be very rare , in fact I have only seen two 710's and both where in bad shape but never seen a pebble finish black 711. IMHO a true black 710 is worth no less that 3 x the green ones BUT the Black-Pebble finished ones I couldn't begin to guess the collectable value. Now take this INFO on the 710's and divide it by 10 and that should be around the number of the black 711's there is and it's value is IMHO is around double that of the 710 black IMHO.
WELL, Right, Wrong or Indifferent , This is what I Know about Black Penn 710's

Don,I never got the 711blackie from you,i think charlie/bones pick it up from you..